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november
12th December 2007, 02:00
ON February 5, police found nine bodies in two cars in central Japan in what appeared to be two group suicides. All nine appeared to have died of carbon monoxide poisoning.
Japan has been the scene of a slew of suicide pacts in recent months, many thought to have been plotted by people who met over the Internet.
Suicide pacts have been made over the Internet since the late 1990s, and have been reported everywhere from Guam to the Netherlands. Experts say they tend to occur in cycles, with news of group suicides sparking copycat incidents.
They've been happening in especially large numbers in Japan, where suicide rates are among the world's highest. In Japan, more than 30,000 commit suicide every year. Suicides in that country hit a record high in 2003, exceeding 34,000.
Last December, three people were found dead in a truck after inhaling carbon monoxide from portable charcoal stoves. At least five other groups, with a total of 26 dead, have been found under similar circumstances since last October.
Officials have blamed a decade-long economic slump for an increasing number of people killing them selves. Many Japanese are making suicide pacts on the Internet.
In Japan, there are hundreds of suicide websites, and scores of people, especially young people, are logging on. This type of website encourage total strangers to make plans to kill themselves. They make a pact online, and then carry it out, usually by sealing themselves in their cars where they burn charcoal to die from carbon monoxide poisoning.
Ritual suicides have long been part of Japanese culture, often considered the honourable way out of failure. There are even "how-to" suicide books.
But suicide counsellors worry that the Internet is pushing people who are already thinking about suicide over the edge.

alt articol la tema http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/FG28Dh01.html

asta e doar un mic articol la tema. azi am auzit la radio ca acum cateva zile iar s-au gazit nishte cadavre intr-o mashina cu ushile bine izolate pedeinauntru, care au murit de la intoxicarea cu gaze

va rog idei si opinii.. e o tema curioasa..

REDDEVIL
12th December 2007, 03:31
Idei>?? Daca cinstit primul cuvant care mi-a venit in gand este... EMO! XD yeah is true... In orce caz cred ca e o prostie totala sa comitzi sinucidere (fie chiar shi Seppuku). Ne nashtem fara voie shi nu cred ca avem dreptul sa hotarim cand murim. Traim doar o data, nu? Anyway la Japonezi siucidul este ceva aparte, ceva ce este legat de crezul lor, astfel nu sunt aplicabile regurile noastre pentru ei.

moon-bird
12th December 2007, 15:15
interesant lucru...
vezi ca, odata ce o tara devine tot mai bogata, astfel devin si mai saraci persoanele care nu au putut sa-si creeze un viitor asa ca care e sensul sa mai traiesti daca nu ai reusit sa faci si sa ajungi ceea ce ai dorit tu sau ceea ce au asteptat altii de la tine.
Eu asa nu cred, dar imi inchpui ca asa cred ei...sau asa as crede eu in locul lor. RED are dreptate, viata exista numai odata, after-life dosen't exist. In orice caz, ar mai trebui sa se mai gindeasca inca odata...

P.S.-maybe they just want us to think that they killed them selves...KIRA IS ALIVE!!! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH XD

Carrot
12th December 2007, 16:32
Idei>?? Daca cinstit primul cuvant care mi-a venit in gand este... EMO! XD yeah is true... многа видел эмо которые реально убили себя? :bored: не тру XD

по теме: наверняка у них уже есть такое т.к. это очевидно, но почему бы не организовать группы людей которые будут под прикрытием идти убивацо и палить этих людей, допустим, врчам?

BlackCross
12th December 2007, 17:46
Pai asta la ei e acceptat cultural, remember seppuku? Unor li-e greu sa traiasca in societatea moderna, sa evolueze in pas cu cerintele, altora li-e rusine de sine sau li-e amar. Shit happens, ne?

november
13th December 2007, 00:59
многа видел эмо которые реально убили себя? :bored: не тру XD
я все больше и больше уверяюсь, что эмо - тенденция, пришедшая из японии ;)

Pai asta la ei e acceptat cultural, remember seppuku? Unor li-e greu sa traiasca in societatea moderna, sa evolueze in pas cu cerintele, altora li-e rusine de sine sau li-e amar. Shit happens, ne?
da, e o cultura aparte, cu traditia de sinucidere, dar cu motiv. nu shtiu cat de multa sinucidere este in seppuku dim moment ce actul este impus.
cultura lafel preseaza, insa statisticili nu au inregistrat asta mai inainte. nivelul sinuciderilor creste mai ales intre tineri, si o posibila cauza mi se pare a fi pliciseala.. depresia

BlackCross
13th December 2007, 01:50
Se sinucid ca se plictisesc? Gah, come on! XD

Kuroda
13th December 2007, 02:52
Imi aduce aminte de "Welcome To N.H.K"

ToXic_maiDen
13th December 2007, 12:01
why this reminded me of an gif-animetion in Shing's sig, when a bunch of ghals sucided under the train.?...XD

BlackCross
13th December 2007, 12:15
why this reminded me of an gif-animetion in Shing's sig, when a bunch of ghals sucided under the train.?...XD
Sunt cadre din filmul Suicide Club.

Neko
13th December 2007, 15:28
I agree with BlackCross with the seppuku stuff. It's a form of suicide as well, in cases when it was used voluntarily by samurai warriors to die with honor or smth. It also depends on the situation.

I think that from these rituals the "suicide spirit" began. Even from movies one can notice how easily teenagers and not only agree with this act ("Suicide Club" is the best example). I guess this is... *cough* normal for them... Or maybe they think it's fun?

And it also is a matter of copycat stuff... For example: "wow, my friend committed suicide! How cool! I'll do so as well, wanna join me!?" xD
I can even say that japanese people are carefree and indifferent toward the value of life...(most of them.. especially teenagers), but this is only my point of view (=

november
13th December 2007, 21:30
bine, de acord cu cu norma diferita in functie de cultura//
dar, nu mai e demult timpul de alta data..si la noi - pamant mioritic - e intraditie ciobanitul, dar nu mai prea vezi ciobeni astazi (nu am in vedere "ciobeni" care au fost si vor mai fi mult si bine ;)
ei se ucid dn cauze financiare de felul ca dau faliment sau nu mai au shanse sa intretina familia si atunci isi mai ucid si copiii inainte de suicid
The recent sharp increase in the number of child deaths is one of the most troubling developments. It seems that almost every week there are several tragic cases involving schoolchildren either taking their own lives or being murdered by a mother or father before the despairing parent commits suicide. The number of family murder-suicides is not detailed in the current NPA figures, but news and other reports indicate their frequency is growing.

doar traditia nu ar cauza asa o "fignea"

Neko
13th December 2007, 23:32
Asa cum se zice ca japonezii pastreaza spiritul de samurai, tot asa probabil pastreaza "in suflet" si "traditia" asta... Decat sa traiasca mizerabil, mai bine isi tin "onoarea" si isi iau viata. Cea mai simpla solutie.. ne?

Stiu la ce te referi cu pamant mioritic si chestii de genul. Intr-adevar nu se mai simte spiritul mioritic si aceleasi traditii dezvoltate in trecut. Probabil e mai usor sa pastrezi raul si naravurile, decat valorile umane si demnitatea. Oricat de mult nu am sustine faptul ca traditiile sunt pe primul plan si trebuie respectate, moldoveanul nu se schimba si va continua in acelasi "spirit" pe care acesta il considera cel mai... bun.

In mare parte, traditiile contribuie la formarea spiritului unui anumit popor si la valorile pe care acesta le dezvolta, la viziunile unice, sau aproape unice pentru fiecare in parte. Nu trebuie de exclus faptul ca toate rituarile alea ale japonezilor neaparat au avut o contributie la crearea acestei atitudini fata de viata si moarte.

november
15th December 2007, 03:21
Explaining the rise in suicide
Explaining the explosion in suicide is a highly complex task for which there is no shortage of elaborate theories, but in reality no easy answers. The fundamental causes lie in a highly complex weave of social and economic factors. For more than a decade, powerful socio-economic forces have been reshaping society. A great many of these currents have been generated by the long economic downturn, or at least strongly influenced by it. Economic factors such as bankruptcies, unemployment and high debt have been cited.

These economic elements have been exacerbated by various cultural traits and customs, making it especially difficult for Japan to deal with the fallout from the increased stress levels and higher incidences of mental-health problems induced by the lengthy recession. All these outlined elements have been compounded by inadequate suicide-prevention measures and a lack of effective government policy.

adrian1369
15th December 2007, 03:45
I think person who commit suicide are not understand by people around them or they don't have friends or somebody to care they cannot interact because they refuge into themselves. Another point is money , they have bad influence on human personality it changes them .We leave in a materialism world.
In the end , it only matters family , friends , colleagues persons who your really care, love, support, trust and help you.

BlackCross
15th December 2007, 04:56
Lume - decât să scrieţi greşit într-o limbă străină mai bine scrieţi corect în maternă... >_<

moon-bird
15th December 2007, 09:48
Black Cross: people make mistakes and they gotta learn from practice...let him be...but sheese...practice somewhere else...
Now On-topic: about the child killin stuff before commiting suicide. they call it something like "mercy" or smth like that. There're just not able to afford a living so they kill-smth like the "path to true freedom".
Frankly i believe it has nothing to do with the old tradition of the samurai...u think that if a family lives in the streets and begs 4 mercy at each corner their mom tells them each night a bed-story about samurais? i think not. In any case,it mostly depends on each case, maybe each has his own problems and cannot live in this world...who are we to tell the reason?

Neko
15th December 2007, 12:58
Frankly i believe it has nothing to do with the old tradition of the samurai...u think that if a family lives in the streets and begs 4 mercy at each corner their mom tells them each night a bed-story about samurais? i think not. In any case,it mostly depends on each case, maybe each has his own problems and cannot live in this world...who are we to tell the reason?

LOL... It's not about telling bed-time stories about samurai... but about the spirit that unavoidably develops from generation to generation, and which precisely came from those rituals. It has nothing to do with telling all this. It's just a strong relationship between relatives, ancestors or call it the way you like it... [and do read #13, 3rd paragraph. I don't like to repeat the same ideas]

And yes, we are no one to tell the reasons. Of course these are only suppositions why they commit suicide in most of the situations. It depends on each case, but it also depends on the personality and attitude of each person.

L.A.
17th December 2007, 18:50
Ну я не думаю что даже нам, отаку, ярым поклоникам японского "всего", можно будет когда либо их понять. Даже думаю о том что ты разбераешься в ихней культуры, ты не сможешь объяснить всё, пока не родишься японцем. Мы можем лишь кидать кое какие догатки. Возможно причиной является общество (оно сейчас настолько пропитано грязю, что возможно люди как дельфины от неспособности адаптироватся к ней выкидываются на берег), возможно культура которая насчитывает тысячи лет (все мы наслышани о из харакири), догадок так много, а ведь это только на один вопрос "почему"...
Сложно объяснить, сложно понять их, ещё сложней понять их общество которая каким-то образом приспасобилась к этому, таких случаев становится всё больше, а остальные тем временем на чужих ощибках не учятся...

november
18th December 2007, 00:26
то, что сложно понять мотивы мы уже поняли, тем не менее понять их можно, и можно сколько угодно списывать это на культуру.
но люди.. настоящие, живые подростки и дети - продолжают умирать.. вот так.. и никакой культурой это искупить или замазать не получится.
я не самый человечный или гуманный персонаж, но как-то все близоруко судиться
это тенденция - гэджет - который распостроняется.. вот это пугает..

L.A.
18th December 2007, 00:36
Ну давай подумаем... Культура вполне может быть причиной этому, иначе это распролстранялось бы по всей планете, а так с Японией никто не сравнится...
И судить как ты сказал близоруко мы только и имеем возможность, потому что никто из нас с такими ситуациями не сталкивался... Или я ощибаюсь?

gothfry
18th January 2008, 18:38
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/J-emo

first reaction :omfg: sh apoi un mega :rofl:

XD

Carrot
19th January 2008, 11:28
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/J-emo

first reaction :omfg: sh apoi un mega :rofl:

XD

пусть на том сайте их апсирают, но лучше бы уже все эмо были такими.. по крайней мере жилось бы интереснее XD

BlackCross
19th January 2008, 14:15
There's definetly a handful of freaks among j-rockers, ca şi оn alte trenduri...
But geez, I'd hit her with a bus too XD (see the last photo)

november
19th January 2008, 18:55
e despre suicid - ea se va descurca si singura cu autobuzul..
neeh! psihicul e oricum dereglat...

november
10th March 2008, 21:38
Monday, March 10, 2008 at 10:37 EST

CHIBA — Police on Sunday arrested a woman for allegedly strangling her 9-year-old son at home in Ichikawa City, Chiba Prefecture. Kimie Haba, 40, was arrested for allegedly killing her son, Kensuke, by strangling him with a plastic cord in his room on the second floor of their house on Saturday night.

According to police investigations, Haba's husband, 40, found her in a semi-conscious state at the entrance of the house and the victim in his bed when he came home around 12:40 a.m. Sunday. He called an ambulance and the two were taken to hospital.

Police say Kimie, who has been suffering from depression and taking medication for five years, tried to commit suicide after killing her son, by taking an overdose of sleeping pills. The suspect, who is in a stable condition, was quoted by police as saying, "I have been pessimistic about Kensuke's future and I didn't think I could raise him. I wanted us to die together."

BlackCross
10th March 2008, 23:02
Crazy fucks... XD

november
12th March 2008, 01:09
08.03.2004, 07:58:24
Японский птицевод покончил с собой из-за эпидемии птичьего гриппа
Глава японской компании Asada Nosan, занимающейся разведением птицы, обвиненный в том, что слишком поздно предупредил власти о возникновении птичьего гриппа на одной из своих ферм, в понедельник повесился вместе со своей женой в одном из помещений фермы, сообщает Kyodo News. В понедельник тела управляющего и его супруги обнаружил на территории фермы Funai работник компании.

На прошлой неделе Ассоциация птицеводов Японии освободила Хадзиму Асада (Hajimu Asada) от обязанностей заместителя президента ассоциации из-за того, что эпидемия на ферме Funai в префектуре Хиого (Hyogo) стала причиной "неприятностей" для производителей птицы и потребителей. ....

SLOT
12th March 2008, 02:06
"Добрая" темка! Было бы смешно если бы не было так грустно ...

november
12th March 2008, 02:22
"Добрая" темка! Было бы смешно если бы не было так грустно ...

:clever: японские реалии :dies2:
можешь высказаться на эту тему

SLOT
12th March 2008, 02:34
Немудрено при такой перенаселенности ...

november
24th March 2008, 03:23
Do you think suicide is an honorable or a cowardly act when a question of responsibility for a crime or accident arises?
Kaori, 35http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/dbfiles/popvoxhito/18CE.jpg
"More than honorable or cowardly, I think of it as unfair. When someone involved in a scandal commits suicide, the truth will never see the light of day. Nobody benefits from it. I am also very sorry for the family who are left behind. I shouldn't criticize the deceased, but I find the act very irresponsible."

Kana, 21http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/dbfiles/popvoxhito/18D3.jpg
"I think that suicide can be considered both an honorable act and a cowardly act, depending on the situation. If the person committing suicide does it for an unselfish reason, then I think it is an honorable act. However, if they commit suicide to escape punishment for something they did, I think it can be considered a cowardly act."

Rei, 20http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/dbfiles/popvoxhito/18D2.jpg
"I would say it is a cowardly act because one can look at it as turning away from the truth. If someone has enough guts to commit suicide, then he/she should have courage to apologize for whatever it was that they did wrong. It is a lot easier that way, not only for themselves, but for people close to them."

Kato, 37http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/dbfiles/popvoxhito/18CD.jpg
"It isn't an honorable act, but I think cowardly is too strong a word. There are ways to atone for a wrongdoing, such as offering an explanation, but suicide isn't one. Maybe it worked in the old days of samurai, but it doesn't work that way in current society. In my opinion, life should be valued, so one should seek an alternative way aside from death."

Masaki, 35http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/dbfiles/popvoxhito/18CC.jpg
"I wouldn't go so far as to call it a cowardly act, but suicide isn't a way to assume responsibility. It isn't important to die to atone for something. Death has nothing to do with assuming responsibility. In the case of the Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries minister, Matsuoka probably came under great pressure from the government and the cabinet."

Yuki, 19http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/dbfiles/popvoxhito/18CF.jpg
"I find it a cowardly act because the individual is neglecting to take responsibility. Ending one's life doesn't solve anything either. In the case of Matsuoka, perhaps the LDP probably set the whole thing up so that the truth will never be uncovered. And perhaps his family received compensation for it, but I am just speculating, though."

Hazuki, 19http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/dbfiles/popvoxhito/18D0.jpg
"Maybe for some people in trouble, it is inevitable to choose death because they can't see any other way out. That said, I don't think suicide is any solution, so I cannot respect anyone's decision to terminate their life. Matsuoka probably thought he could keep his dignity as minister if he ended his life in that position."

Massa, 20http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/dbfiles/popvoxhito/18D1.jpg
"I would say it is more of a cowardly act than an honorable one. Anyone who commits suicide is running away from reality. Matsuoka could have resigned. Of course, he would have had a lot of explaining to do."

May 31, 2007

november
27th March 2008, 19:14
The Yomiuri Shimbun

A sixth-grade primary school student was found dead Tuesday after apparently jumping from a condominium in Itabashi Ward, Tokyo, where he had left what appeared to be a suicide note, police said.

According to the police, the condominium caretaker found the boy, 12, lying on the ground below his home on the 14th floor of the building at about 1:30 p.m. The police believe the boy jumped off a balcony.

At a press conference Wednesday, the boy's school principal said he had been a good and capable student, but had behaved oddly at the school's graduation ceremony, held that morning. At the ceremony, the students were to pay tribute to the school, with each one taking it in turn to say a few words of a speech. The boy was supposed to say, "The school I love," but instead said, "The school I hate." The principal asked the boy why he changed the phrase, and the boy said he had made a mistake because he was nervous. The principal refrained from pressing the matter further, he said.

The police found a B5-sized piece of paper on a table in a living room of the family's apartment. On the paper was a one-line note: "I'll apologize by killing myself." :nowai:
(Mar. 27, 2008)

november
4th April 2008, 12:30
One Japanese suicide every 15 minutes

Paul Gallagher in Tokyo Article history
The Observer, Sunday February 24 2008 Article histor

Japan's grim reputation as one of the world's suicide nations has been confirmed by statistics that show more than 30,000 people a year have taken their own lives since figures first began to rise in 1998. In 2006, there were 32,115 suicides - 25 per 100,000 people; nearly 100 people a day; one every 15 minutes. The most common hour of death is 5am for men and noon for women, after their families have left for work or school.

Japan has roughly half the population of the US, yet the same number of suicides. There were 5,554 suicides of people aged 15 and over in the UK in 2006; three quarters involved men.

Experts in Japan were puzzled when the suicide rate jumped in 1998 from 24,391 to 32,863 - a 35 per cent rise - and the annual figure has continued to stay above 30,000. Two theories have been put forward by the media: bullying at school and netto shinju - online suicide pacts.

The world's first internet suicide pact involving strangers took place in Japan in 2003. The bodies of three young people were discovered in a van on a mountain road. The windows were sealed with black duct tape and a burnt-out charcoal stove was found inside.

Police across Japan began to make similar discoveries: three or four bodies, victims usually in their late teens to mid-twenties, and often a burnt-out charcoal stove.

Last year the National Police saved 72 potential suicides who had made postings on the net. But Yukio Saito, the director of a 24-hour suicide helpline, said that until recently Japan has done nothing to stop tens of thousands of others taking their lives. The helpline takes an estimated 720,000 calls a year at its 49 centres.

BlackCross
4th April 2008, 23:11
One Japanese suicide every 15 minutes
Ouch! That's sad... @_@

devil may cry
4th April 2008, 23:19
Ouch! That's sad... @_@

In Japan are living :
CITY PREFECTURE
1 Tokyoa Tokyo 8,535,792
2 Yokohama Kanagawa 3,602,758
3 Osaka Osaka 2,635,420
4 Nagoya Aichi 2,223,148
5 Sapporo Hokkaidō 1,888,953
6 Kobe Hyōgo 1,528,687
7 Kyoto Kyoto 1,472,511
8 Fukuoka Fukuoka 1,414,417
9 Kawasakib Kanagawa 1,342,262
10 Saitama Saitama 1,182,744

So it`s not a disaster :hehehe:

BlackCross
5th April 2008, 01:38
On topic

Hideto Matsumoto [X Japan - Guitarist] died on May 2, 1998. After a night out drinking, he was found hanged with a towel tied to a doorknob in his Tokyo apartment. Three fans died in copycat suicides, of the 50,000 people who attended his funeral, nearly 60 were hospitalized and about 200 received medical treatment in first aid tents. Later that month, the single "Pink Spider" was released, entering the Oricon charts at number one. The song would also receive that year's MTV Video Music Award in the category "Japan Viewers Choice".Sales were also strong for the follow up single "Ever Free", while those of a single released previous to his death "Rocket Dive" would also see a substantial increase. American Journalist Neil Strauss commented on the trend saying that: "In just a few weeks, pop culture in Japan had gone from mourning Hide's death to consuming it."

While authorities deemed Matsumoto's death a suicide, several of Hide's friends and colleagues stated that they believed it to be an accident, among them X Japan co-founder Yoshiki Hayashi and former X Japan bassist Taiji Sawada. This notion is supported by the fact that no suicide note was left and Sawada theorizes in his autobiography, that at the night of his death, Hide may have been practicing a technique to relieve upper back and neck pains which guitarists can suffer from continuous use of a shoulder strap. The technique involved was practiced by the X Japan members during their touring days and required the use of a towel and a door knob or handle. According to Sawada, Matsumoto may have fallen asleep in his intoxicated state, becoming caught and strangling himself


Poor Hide... :notagain:

november
5th April 2008, 01:53
what a waste..
suicide act of famous people are really dangerous

BlackCross
5th April 2008, 02:00
Most likely it was really an accident, asfixiation using a towel and a doorknob is... is just not a method of suicidal...

november
5th April 2008, 02:03
howeverThree fans died in copycat suicides, of the 50,000 people who attended his funeral, nearly 60 were hospitalized and about 200 received medical treatment in first aid tents.
..and the press is always looking for a scandal~~ so, it could turn out bad

Carrot
5th April 2008, 10:54
come on, it was 10 years ago.. get ovet it..
история знает много таких случаев.. были и такие когда музыкант по пьяни захлёбывался собственной рвотной массой и умирал.

november
5th April 2008, 11:48
come on, it was 10 years ago.. get ovet it..
история знает много таких случаев.. были и такие когда музыкант по пьяни захлёбывался собственной рвотной массой и умирал.
марковь, прояви каплю сострадания и усё :dead:
заметка просто была в тему

BlackCross
5th April 2008, 14:34
come on, it was 10 years ago.. get ovet it..
история знает много таких случаев.. были и такие когда музыкант по пьяни захлёбывался собственной рвотной массой и умирал.
I don't give a fuck about others and how they died. Rly.

Stanly
15th April 2008, 00:11
come on, it was 10 years ago.. get ovet it..
история знает много таких случаев.. были и такие когда музыкант по пьяни захлёбывался собственной рвотной массой и умирал.

бедный Бонем :whyyy:




I don't give a fuck about others and how they died. Rly.


meanie :sigh:

november
16th April 2008, 02:23
in conversation with a child
Ку: We had 3 dogs, but 2 died.
Я: Oh, that's sad.
Ку: Yeah, but everybody dies.
Я: Everybody dies?
Ку: Everybody! God dies! - и смеется :)